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controversial opinion: no one deserves to be bullied/abused



This includes (but is not limited to):


-belittling their appearance (includes body shaming and any appearance-based insults)

-SUICIDE BAITING, saying they deserve to die, saying you hope they die

-false accusations and/or attempting to spread false information about them

-threats of any variety

-ignoring/disrespecting their identity (includes misgendering, insulting or ignoring racial/ethnic/religious background, assertions they are lying about their sexuality/race/religion/gender, etc.)

-denying things said/done to them actually happened

There are no caveats wrt who this list does and does not apply to. No one deserves bullying/abuse, not even: actual abusers, rapists, murderers, Donald Trump, white supremacists, neo-nazis, bigots, poachers, PETA members, child molesters, not even (dare I say it) people who draw upsetting things. No one deserves it. No one. Period. The end.

Feel free to add on to this list.

The notes of these post are absolutely full of people who keep insisting, in unambiguous language, that their chosen targets do deserve to be bullied and killed.

Here is why that is not a good thing:

1- If you were to declare that certain people “deserve” to be abused and defend the concept, who decides what an acceptable target is? How do you make sure that they don’t try to abuse and expand their powers to punish everyone they don’t like with relative impunity?

Should the government decide who doesn’t deserve rights? Should popular people decide? What about angry mobs?

There are even many cases in which abusers try to portray themselves as victims in order to direct the mobs against the actual victims, and anyone who tries to stop them in general. They don’t want to make anything better for anyone, they want a socially-acceptable excuse to abuse others.

I would not want to grant anyone the power to strip their targets of all rights and abuse them with impunity.

2- If you defend the idea that it’s okay to dehumanize and abuse certain kinds of people, what defense do you have against groups that think they have a right to do it you? Nearly everyone thinks that they are the hero and that their enemies are a threat to be stopped at all costs, and therefore any kind of nastiness is justified.

What if the people you don’t like are in government and can turn this entire thing around and punish you? What if the rapists, abusers, neo-nazis, and etc. have their own angry mobs?

How will you stop them from going after their targets if you just destroyed the rules and social norms that prevented it?

3- A lot of people with PTSD, depression, and other illnesses feel like they deserved abuse. The idea that no one deserves abuse can, at least on some level, reduce those types of thoughts. 

But if people do think that some people deserve it and that they are horrible enough to be one of them? What reason would they have to even ask for help then?

This attitude can be very unhealthy to various types of mentally ill people.

4- You can try to stop harmful behavior while still respecting the perpetrator’s rights as much as possible.

For example, if someone abuses you, you get to defend yourself. You don’t get to declare the abuser a subhuman and torture them to death.

Any suffering that must be added to the world should ideally be minimal and directed entirely towards preventing greater suffering. Any kind of punishment must be aimed at deterrence and maybe keeping dangerous people away from potential victims, not at causing unnecessary pain.

No one is helped if “bad people” suffer, but it is helpful if “bad people” are stopped. Making someone stop and making someone suffer are different things and you can do the first thing while trying to minimize the second one.

If you would oppose the death penalty and inhumane prisons, there is no reason not to also oppose internet vigilantism and bullying based on the idea that bad people deserve suffering.

Keep hoping machine running: Woody Guthrie’s New Years resolutions, 1943


1. Work more and better
2. Work by a schedule
3. Wash teeth if any
4. Shave
5. Take bath
6. Eat good — fruit — vegetables — milk
7. Drink very scant if any
8. Write a song a day
9. Wear clean clothes — look good
10. Shine shoes
11. Change socks
12. Change bed cloths often
13. Read lots good books

14. Listen to radio a lot
15. Learn people better
16. Keep rancho clean
17. Dont get lonesome
18. Stay glad
19. Keep hoping machine running
20. Dream good

21. Bank all extra money
22. Save dough
23. Have company but dont waste time
24. Send Mary and kids money
25. Play and sing good
26. Dance better

27. Help win war — beat fascism
28. Love mama
29. Love papa
30. Love Pete
31. Love everybody
32. Make up your mind
33. Wake up and fight


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